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Re: Клуб атеистов!
« Ответ #4215 : Ноября 18, 2011, 10:44:23 »
G.MOSHEL, да нет, это у тебя примитивизм и абсурд.

Ты мне тут втираешь, что жизнь, созданная богом, прекрасна и удивительна, не забывая тут же напомнить, как кто-то придёт насиловать моих родственников, а моего ребёнка "поднимать на штык"? Да уж, логика железная... А каждый народ должен иметь армию, иначе его попросту уничтожат. Чёрт, как прекрасен этот мир! :D Да, и не забывайте плодиться и размножаться, чтобы ваши дети и дети ваших детей тоже могли кайфануть, ага.

Ты говоришь, что не знаешь, зачем твоему богу всё это понадобилось, но при этом стараешься жить "как он учит". Это ли не абсурд, это ли не рабская идеология? С наслаждением повиноваться некоему хозяину (богу), не зная его конечных целей? Ты говорил, что "никого мудрее не нашёл", значит искал себе хозяина, папочку, кого угодно, лишь бы получить "опору под ногами". Тебе нужен "смысл жизни", потому что ты себя даже не можешь представить как полностью свободное существо, ты должен выполнять чьё-то "предназначение", кто-то должен обязательно быть над тобой. В этом и состоит суть любой религии.

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Какое же смердящее дерьмо, эта ваша религия... Извините.
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Re: Клуб атеистов!
« Ответ #4216 : Ноября 18, 2011, 11:14:32 »
да уж интересная беседа )).

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самое время вспомнить про бисер...

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Re: Клуб атеистов!
« Ответ #4217 : Ноября 18, 2011, 11:19:11 »
Мир прекрасен, потому что никто не хочет умирать. Ну а иначе кто бы за какашку держался то бы  :D :trollface:

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Re: Клуб атеистов!
« Ответ #4218 : Ноября 18, 2011, 11:22:37 »
а вот теперь агитация: )))

MrLf, Бог может изменить твою жизнь!!!! и тебе он просто необходим как голодному еда!!! (как и каждому из нас) ты, конечно в этом нам не признаешься, и я даже предполагаю, что ты напишешь в ответ! но ты не когда не обманешь самого себя. Бог, единственный, кто может дать настоящий смысл жизни. и научить нас радоваться окружающим нас вещам. и не плохо быть "под Его крышей". каждый находится, под чьей-то крышей, даже если отрицает это. Абсолютной свободы не бывает. Не от нас самих зависит будем мы жить сегодня или нет. Я желаю тебе обрести веру в Него. И похоже, что ты уже на пути к этому )

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Re: Клуб атеистов!
« Ответ #4219 : Ноября 18, 2011, 12:18:53 »
Ну а иначе кто бы за какашку держался то бы
Маладэц, держись за какашку дальше ;).
и не плохо быть "под Его крышей". каждый находится, под чьей-то крышей, даже если отрицает это. Абсолютной свободы не бывает. Не от нас самих зависит будем мы жить сегодня или нет.
Прекрасная апологетика рабской идеологии, аплодирую стоя.
Рабу нужен хозяин. Жизнь без хозяина немыслима. Ну просто не укладывается в голове, и всё тут.

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Re: Клуб атеистов!
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Re: Клуб атеистов!
« Ответ #4221 : Ноября 18, 2011, 12:36:10 »
Маладэц, держись за какашку дальше ;).
Ты сейчас про жизнь?  :)

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Re: Клуб атеистов!
« Ответ #4222 : Ноября 18, 2011, 12:40:10 »
Ты сейчас про жизнь?  :)
Нет, я про религию.

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Re: Клуб атеистов!
« Ответ #4223 : Ноября 18, 2011, 12:54:03 »
Нет, я про религию.
А я про что говорил эту фразу? :)))))))))

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Re: Клуб атеистов!
« Ответ #4224 : Ноября 18, 2011, 13:02:20 »
А я про что говорил эту фразу? :)))))))))
Это уж у тебя надо спросить :D.
Да ладно, понял я всё. Природу страха смерти (да и вообще, любого страха) мы выше обсуждали.

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Re: Клуб атеистов!
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Re: Клуб атеистов!
« Ответ #4226 : Ноября 18, 2011, 15:48:11 »
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Re: Клуб атеистов!
« Ответ #4227 : Ноября 18, 2011, 15:58:33 »
MrLf, Мне вдруг стаола понятна разница между нашими позициями. Я знаю, что не знаю всего, а ты уверен в полном знании и понимании чужих поступков и мотивов. Ну с таким человеком разговор практически бесполезен, а за одно и бессмысленен. Ты пишешь, как в прекрасном мире, могут быть убийства и почая мерзость? Про свободу выбора, забыл? Некоторые делают выбор быть бандитами, некоторые террористами и добра от этих людей ждать нечего. Как утебя вообще вяжется свобода выбора с рабством? Ты уже просто заблудился. Ты в такой же мере раб, как и  я, ты подчиняешься законам установленным твоим правительством,т.е. ты зависим, от написанного ими и от ими установленных норм поведения. Чем же твоё рабство лучге моего? Ты ни чем в своей зависимости не отличаешься от верующего. Даже меняя место жительства (страну) ты всё равно живёшь по установленным там правилам, а значит ограничен и полной свободы у тебя нет. Ты раб всего того же, что и я , с единственной разницей - я веру выбрал. а ты уже родился рабом законов, норм и общественных устоев, который мало чем отличаются от моиз 10ти заповедей. Т.ч. твоя свобода, даже не мнимая, а просто не существующая. А страхов в тебе по ходу, совсем не мало, это просто ощущается и идёт красной нитью, через всё тобой писаное.

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Re: Клуб атеистов!
« Ответ #4228 : Ноября 18, 2011, 16:06:53 »
G.MOSHEL, ты лукавишь насчёт рабства. Если я раб "законов правительства", то ты двойной раб — законов правительства + религии.
Я знаю, что не знаю всего, а ты уверен в полном знании и понимании чужих поступков и мотивов. Ну с таким человеком разговор практически бесполезен, а за одно и бессмысленен.
Ну, раз ты так уверен насчёт меня, значит ты тоже уверен в "полном знании и понимании чужих поступков и мотивов" ;).

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G.MOSHEL, мне интересно твоё мнение вот об этом: http://warrax.net/Satan/Books/princeps_omnium/2/16.html
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Re: Клуб атеистов!
« Ответ #4229 : Ноября 18, 2011, 17:11:19 »
G.MOSHEL, ты лукавишь насчёт рабства. Если я раб "законов правительства", то ты двойной раб — законов правительства + религии.
Ну наконец-то ты осознал своё рабство. Смешно как-то раб-раба, рабством попрекал. :) Разница, что законы правительства нам навязанн, а следование заповедям, я избрал. как жизненный путь итрабством это назвать нельзя. Является ли спортсмен - рабом правил того-же футбола или бокса. Конечно нет, он выбрал спорт и выбрал добровольное следование правилам, причём в любой день может отказаться от них, а это уже рабством назвать нельзя, равно , как и следование заповедям, да ещё и имея свободу выбора - оказатьсяот следования заповедям. Т.ч. если я и раб, то - не больший, чем ты.
Ну, раз ты так уверен насчёт меня, значит ты тоже уверен в "полном знании и понимании чужих поступков и мотивов" ;).
Ты сам об этом постоянно говоришь. Страхи, папочка на облачке, рабство. Почитай себя. :)
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