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Re: Stratocaster USA vs Japan
« Ответ #60 : Сентября 03, 2006, 17:06:21 »
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дык я же говорю "на ощупь" вот такие вот ассоциации остались после пробы в музторге на Таганке.
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В Казани знакомый гитарист записал альбом,я был в шоке когда на мой вопрос что за гитара,он ответил "корейский Эпифон с SD SH-13"
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Re: Stratocaster USA vs Japan
« Ответ #61 : Сентября 04, 2006, 07:00:29 »
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57-"Bakelite" pickup covers and knobs are replaced by vinyl (early '57 instruments may have a mix of bakelite and vinyl), neck profile becomes a more pronounced "V

58-Two-tone sunburst becomes three-tone sunburst, adding the color red, neck profile becomes a "D".

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Re: Stratocaster USA vs Japan
« Ответ #62 : Сентября 04, 2006, 19:13:27 »
Ну и что, у тебя прямо реально V профиль, то есть грани реально ощущаются?

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Re: Stratocaster USA vs Japan
« Ответ #63 : Сентября 04, 2006, 22:34:42 »
" реально V профиль"
дык это у тебя надо спросить, кстати у тоже делюкса тоже V-профиль.

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Re: Stratocaster USA vs Japan
« Ответ #64 : Сентября 05, 2006, 11:07:12 »
Автору -про "железки из Китая"
на колках китайцы почему-то Gotoh написали, вот гады

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Re: Stratocaster USA vs Japan
« Ответ #65 : Сентября 05, 2006, 20:21:43 »
MIJ круче CIJ просто потому, что старше :))
До 97 года писали 'Made in Japan' в 97 начали писать 'Crafted in Japan' и пишут так до сего времени.

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Re: Stratocaster USA vs Japan
« Ответ #66 : Сентября 05, 2006, 22:02:24 »
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Я читал про то что многие убеждены (владельцы старых японских Фендеров), что старые модели лучше. Недавно сравнивал мою гитару с точно такой же (тоже образца 57 года) 1996 года выпуска, моя - 2002-2003 г.в. Так вот - та старая ничем не лучше (я же говорил, что в стабильности качества япошкам равных нет). А вот гриф у моей получше в плане дерева - текстура ровнее и по цвету волокна одинаковые, а на том светлом грифе было несколько достаточно толстых темных волокон, так что по однородности мой лучше, но в остальном - абсолютно тоже самое.

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Re: Stratocaster USA vs Japan
« Ответ #67 : Сентября 05, 2006, 22:15:21 »
я вот обоим вам выскажу такую мысль,многие за бугром считают CIJ учше чем MIJ,потому что CIJ
сделан для внутреннего рынка где требования к изделию выше,вот такая инфа.

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Re: Stratocaster USA vs Japan
« Ответ #68 : Сентября 06, 2006, 10:33:05 »
кстати мой препод собираеться купить именно японский  страт, после общения с моим инструментом, хотя может себе позволить и американский;)

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Re: Stratocaster USA vs Japan
« Ответ #69 : Сентября 06, 2006, 11:47:01 »
А вам не всеравно кто что про какие гитары говорит. Идите слушайте и сами выбирайте, какой звучит лучше. Стив Вай за вас это делать не будет.
И еще интересно, какова вероятность, что кому-то из вас попадется такой же крутой японский страт, как Ваю. Да и сможете ли вы адекватно оценить его звучание только лишь почитав чужие отзывы.

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Re: Stratocaster USA vs Japan
« Ответ #70 : Сентября 06, 2006, 14:24:07 »
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да  тема  MIA vs MIJ она наверное вечная,уже столько всего перелопачено в этой конфе,дык нет проходит месяца 3-4 и снова
"а што лучше....... "и :confused: снова бла-бла-бла..... :biggrin: :biggrin: сделали бы FAQ.

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Re: Stratocaster USA vs Japan
« Ответ #71 : Июня 08, 2009, 16:05:36 »
У серийников MIJ качество стабильное в отличие от штатников и придраться не к чему. Поверте , знаю не по наслышке - у меня и друга 3 японца. Сравнивали со штатным ДеЛюксом. Поняли одно - даже если бы цена была одинаковая -брали бы японцев. А чего стоят их разработки для внутр.рынка!!! Сам владею Контемпорари Телеком HSS. Если бы не было - купил бы его ещё раз!

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Re: Stratocaster USA vs Japan
« Ответ #72 : Августа 03, 2009, 18:06:05 »
Побывал на родине в Одессе, наконец то пощупал настоящих американцев: один стандарт, другой делюкс, играл через ламповый Peavie и Fender Blues junior. По звуку моя гитара абсолютно не хуже, а вот гриф у делюкса удобнее, он тоньше. Мастер в Москве, который мне лады ставил сказал что страт (причем из липы) очень хорошо звучит к его удивлению. Сам он играет на кастом телеках, стратах и один Suhr у него есть.

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Re: Stratocaster USA vs Japan
« Ответ #73 : Августа 03, 2009, 19:07:10 »
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Buying Tips and Opinions

Are you completely nonplussed by the variety of Fender Japan guitars appearing for sale on Ebay and elsewhere?  Do the descriptions, specifications and prices confuse you? If so, here is my concise and incomplete (!) guide to what is what in the world of used Fender Japan Strats and Teles.

I suppose you could say that there are two basic ranges of Fender guitars floating about on the used market. The made for export models that were officially imported into the UK/Europe/US in large numbers between the mid 80's and late 90's, and the non-export, made for the Japanese market, guitars that have been privately imported in recent years. 

Most of the used Fender Japan guitars you see offered for sale will have been made for export and imported into the UK between the mid 80's and late 90's. Of these most will carry the 'Made in Japan' mark but some will bear 'Crafted in Japan' because the change from MIJ to CIJ was made before official imports ceased.

The vast, and I mean vast, majority of these will have a basswood bodies. By the way, some vendors have, oddly, started to describe basswood as Japanese alder. It isn't. Basswood and Japanese alder are two distinctly different types of wood as a quick search on Google will reveal. There is nothing wrong with basswood but it certainly isn't Japanese alder.

Anyway, although most export Strats were basswood there are a very few exceptions: the Hank Marvin Signature and natural finish '68 Strats for instance. But, JV serials excluded,  I have never yet come across an imported 54/57 or 62 Strat with anything other than a basswood body. They might exist, I have just never come across one except in the dreams of hopeful Ebay vendors. I have also never come across one of these imported guitars with a body finished in anything other than poly.

Again, with the exception of JV serial guitars, I have never come across an official import Strat or Tele with anything other than Japanese pickups. There seem to be two basic types. The 'vintage' style alnico magnet type which can be identified by have staggered poles, and the lower spec ceramic magnet type which do not have staggered poles.

I frequently see on Ebay what are, I am sure, ordinary import guitars with basswood bodies, Japanese pups and poly finishes, described as being either alder bodied, or US pickup loaded - or both! Giving the vendors the benefit of the doubt (if I really must), it is probable that they looked up the specification of current non-export models and thought their guitar must be same.

Make no mistake, these import guitars are well made and excellent value IF you can't run to one of the non-export models and IF you can get it at a reasonable price. What's a reasonable price? That's a hard one and at the end of the day entirely dependent upon what you are happy paying. However, you MUST be absolutely sure of the guitar's specification. Quiz the vendor before bidding. It's a fact the the couple of vendors who, like myself, regularly handle Fender Japan guitars will be able to give you a straight and credible answer. The same cannot always be said of someone who just has the one guitar to offload and is ignorant, or less than truthful, about its specification..

For instance, I recently emailed a couple of guys selling obviously import Strats and asked how come they were supposed to be fitted with US Texas Specials. One replied that he wasn't actually sure the pups were Texas Specials but they sounded nice! The other replied that he had replaced the originals with Texas Specials. That's fair enough but modifications like that should really be mentioned in the auction description.

Here are a couple of tips for you. The US pickups fitted to Strats and Teles have cloth covered wire back to the pots. So, as far as Strats and Teles are concerned, plastic covered wire equals Japanese, cloth covered wire equals US. Also, Strat pick-guards loaded with Texas Specials have a red circular sticker on the underside. Those loaded with US Vintage pups do not. 

Frankly, although the export guitars are excellent and relatively plentiful, I would recommend you go for one of the higher spec non-export guitars every time. Why? Because one day a few years ago I directly compared my beloved (at the time) Hank Marvin Signature with a similar spec Strat loaded with US pickups. I'd always thought the HM's Jap pups sounded good but, frankly, the US pups completely outshone them in every respect. The US pups sounded fuller, clearer... they had the wow factor. This is just my personal opinion, but I reckon the although Fender Japan's build quality is second to none, Fender US wind a better Strat pickup. So in a non-export Fender Japan guitar you have the best of both worlds.

Just another word about Japanese pickups.... I have to admit that I find their Telecaster and bass  pickups get closer to the US sound than their Strat pickups. In the case of the Telecaster perhaps that is because a slightly 'thinner' sounding pup delivers the Tele 'chickin' pickin' sound we expect.
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Serials/Dates of Manufacture


Dating your Japanese made Fender by its serial is an inexact science but the following table will give you a reasonable idea of its date of manufacture. NOTE large scale official export to the UK/USA/Europe stopped around 98/99 with the 'B' serial.

*Note: From mid -1997 serials are prefaced by 'Crafted in Japan'. Prior to that exported guitars bore the phrase 'Made in Japan'. There is no intrinsic quality difference in the guitars themselves as far as I can tell from the many I have owned. Beware of Ebay vendors telling you the 'Made in...' is better then 'Crafted in....', or vice versa. It is the specification that counts, not the label.

Serial Number   Approx  Date of Manufacture

"Made in Japan" followed by:    
JV + 5 digits   1982 - 1984
SQ +    "   1983 - 1984
E + 6 digits   1984 - 1989
A +     "   1985 - 1986
B +     "   1985 - 1986
C +     "   1985 - 1986
F +     "   1986 - 1987
G +     "   1987  - 1988
H +     "   1988 - 1989
 I +     "   1989 - 1990
J +     "      1989 - 1990
K +     "   1990 - 1991
L +     "   1991 - 1992
M +     "   1992 - 1993
N +     "   1993 - 1994
O +     "   1993 - 1994
P +     "   1993 - 1994
Q +     "   1993 - 1994
S +     "   1994 - 1995
T +     "   1994 - 1995
U +     "    1995 - 1996
V +     "    1996 - 1997
'Crafted in Japan' followed by:    
A +     "        *   1997 - 1998
B +     "        *   1998 - 1999
O + 6 digits   1997 - 2000
P +     "   1999 - 2002
Q +     "   2002 - 2004
R +     "   2005 –

+_____________________________________

What's the difference between a *MADE* In Japan, and a *CRAFTED* In Japan Fender guitar?

If your interest in Fender Japan guitars has led you to ask that question... hopefully this guide will help.

And it's just a matter of time till you have your answer.    ;)

The bottom line is:  MADE in Japan = older... CRAFTED in Japan = newer.  It's that simple.  I'll explain with a short bit of history.  Please:  Do your own research (readily available on the web), to verify:

Without bogging you down in every tiny detail...

Fender began making guitars in Japan in 1982.  At that time, ALL Fenders were marked *MADE* In Japan (with a few unmarked exceptions, which I may post another guide detailing).  Up till 1997, that's the way ALL Fenders manufactured in Japan were marked:  MADE In Japan.

At some point a decision was made by Fender, for whatever their reason(s), to change this to CRAFTED In Japan.  And, in 1997 Fender began using the Crafted In Japan marking.  During that year - it is my understanding - guitars were marked both "Made" and "Crafted" In Japan.  In 1998 and since, all Fenders manufactured in Japan have been marked "Crafted" In Japan.

So, it's just a matter of time.  No magical formula to decipher or understand.  No secrets to remember.

A quick visit to fender.com - and a tiny bit of curiosity - will verify.  Go there and work your way to the Japan Serial Numbers page.  You'll notice the first batch of numbers are "Made" In Japan numbers, while the second batch (at the bottom of the page) are "Crafted" In Japan numbers.  Take a good look at *the dating*... you'll see for yourself:

Made In Japan = older...     Crafted In Japan = newer

It's just a matter of time.  It's that simple.

Serial Number and Approximate Date of Manufacture of Fender Guitars Made in Japan and Crafted in Japan. Also Some History!

Among the Fender Japanese guitars, there were two different logos used: Crafted in Japan and Made in Japan, and both were being made at the same time from 1994 till 1997. This means that the the serial numbers starting in 1994 ran consecutively on both the MIJ and the CIJ models while the MIJ logo was being phased out. Mid–1997 the CIJ logo was the only one used on Fender guitars coming out of Japan (with exception the Squire series). I have more info on the MIJ Reissues page.

There are several theories about why some Japanese Fenders have MIJ and others CIJ. One is that there was a reorganizing of where the parts were being make in the large, expansive Fugi Gen Gakki company. The island of Matsumoto is where the Fugi plant is located. It houses 15-20 different smaller companies, Like Kawi, Gen Gakki Ten, Yamara, Gotoh, Yamoto, etc. I was told by a former Fender Rep that the necks were made one place and the bodies another, while the electronics were made in yet another. I was told that the contract with Yamoto stated if any major subcontractor was to be changed the weaning process would have to take place (MIJ to CIJ). They call it the “Squire countdown.” Since Fuji was pressing hard to get the Epiphone contract, a change was made. Kawi was moving the bulk of their piano building to a new facility in China, and would also be making their own “harp” frames there. This freed up a lot of space in the plant. Yamara and Gotoh retooled to handle the woodwork and finish aspects of the guitars—thus the Crafted in Japan line was created.

The other story is, and maybe both are true and run consecutively, I really don’t know, but the MIJ logo Fenders were for the USA market. USA Fender wanted to stop the import of these guitars to the USA due to firing up their Mexican plant and due to the “too good” quality Japan was creating which competed with the USA models.

Regarding quailty, I have owned many of both these Japanese guitars and it is a fallacy that the Made in Japan models are better than the Crafted in Japan or vice versa. As far as I am concerned, the quality of either is much better than the Mexican made guitars and rival many of the USA models. The JV and SQ guitars, as well as some of the E series, had USA parts (mostly pickups, switches, and potentiometers) that were shipped over to Japan to help speed up production while the new USA plant was being set up in Corona, California. The early series are the most popular for collectors. Also, some Crafted in Japan models came with Custom Shop parts, like special Limited Edition guitars and Signature guitars. The Japanese serial number can be confusing too. For instance, many of the MIJ/CIJ Telecasters have the serial number on the bridge and they start with an "A". Yet if you take the neck off they can be 1994-1997!


As you look at these serial numbers, please note that the same “letter-prefix” on the serial numbers are used for two different sets of dates.  The first being the “Made in Japan” date and the second is the “Crafted in Japan” date. Most of the “Made in Japan” guitars have a 6 digit number, while the “Crafted in Japan” guitars us a 5 digit number (excluding the A prefix!) Confused? LOL! And then there are exceptions to the rule!


A + 6 DIGITS 1985-1986, 1997-1998 (Made in Japan) and (Crafted in Japan)
B + 6 DIGITS 1985-1986 (Made in Japan)
C + 6 DIGITS 1985-1986 (Made in Japan)
E + 6 DIGITS 1984-1987 (Made in Japan)
F + 6 DIGITS 1986-1987 (Made in Japan)
G + 6 DIGITS 1987-1988 (Made in Japan)
H + 6 DIGITS 1988-1989 (Made in Japan)
I + 6 DIGITS 1989-1990 (Made in Japan)
J + 6 DIGITS 1989-1990 (Made in Japan)
JV + 5 DIGITS 1982-1984 (Made in Japan)
K + 6 DIGITS 1990-1991 (Made in Japan)
L + 6 DIGITS 1991-1992 (Made in Japan)
M + 6 DIGITS 1992-1993 (Made in Japan)
N + 5 DIGITS 1995-1996 (Crafted in Japan)
N + 6 DIGITS 1993-1994 (Made in Japan)
O + 5 DIGITS 1997-2000 (Crafted in Japan)
O + 6 DIGITS 1994-1995 (Made in Japan)
P + 5 DIGITS 1999-2002 (Crafted in Japan)
P + 6 DIGITS 1995-1996 (Made in Japan)
Q + 5 DIGITS 2002-2004 (Crafted in Japan)
Q + 6 DIGITS 1993-1994 (Made in Japan)
R + 5 DIGITS 2004-2005 (Crafted in Japan)
S + 6 DIGITS 1994-1995, 2005-2006 (Made in Japan) and (Crafted in Japan)
SQ + 5 DIGITS 1983-1984 (Made in Japan)
T + 6 DIGITS 1994-1995 (Made in Japan)
U + 6 DIGITS 1995-1996 (Made in Japan)
V + 6 DIGITS 1996-1997 (Made in Japan)


Regarding quality, I have owned many of both these Japanese guitars and it is a fallacy that the Made in Japan models are better than the Crafted in Japan or vice versa. As far as I am concerned, the quality of either is much better than the Mexican made guitars and rival many of the USA models. The JV and SQ guitars, as well as some of the E series, had USA parts (mostly pickups, switches, and potentiometers) that were shipped over to Japan to help speed up production while the new USA plant was being set up in Corona, California. The early series are the most popular for collectors. Also, some Crafted in Japan models came with Custom Shop parts, like special Limited Edition guitars and Signature guitars. The Japanese serial number can be confusing too. For instance, many of the MIJ/CIJ Telecasters have the serial number on the bridge and they start with an "A". Yet if you take the neck off they can be 1994-1997!


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Re: Stratocaster USA vs Japan
« Ответ #74 : Сентября 02, 2009, 07:41:24 »
NeCaster, Спасибо за приведённые статьи!